Charlie threw his (second) idol into the ocean

[charlie]

JK I gave it to Alina. Same thing, right? WASTED.~

LOVE YOU ALINA <3

First off, I want to congratulate you both on making it to the finals. You must have done something right to be sitting there, I guess. Now, I want to turn my attention to the Jury, hosts, and viewers. Thank you guys for making this as fun as it was! Fellow players, thanks for having a huge role in making this game as fun and exciting as it was. Hosts, thank you for putting this all together and being fun & interactive hosts. You guys didn't have to do that, but I can see you guys put in the extra effort to be good to your plays. I respect that! Viewers, thanks for watching everything go down harder than Kidd's sinking ship. <3 You've all had a hand in making this experience what it was. Anywho, let me get back to addressing the finalists.

Before I get into individual assessments, let me just start off by saying how much I want to vomit. No, not because I was sick in the merge phase of this game. But, because YOU TWO are who I have to vote between. This final two is absolutely disgusting because I strongly believe neither of you deserve to be crowned the winner, but whatever. These are my options, so I'll have to weigh them equally, no matter how invisible and non-existent you two were and how disgustingly you two have played. With that in mind, I'll jump into individual assessments and questions. Good luck!

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Let's start with Denise. Hello, Lowen Wolf. I want to congratulate you on being this game's biggest GOAT! That's a real accomplishment, and you know what? It actually seems like something you're quite proud of? I want to know if you being a goat was a strategy of some sort, or if it's what you kind of fell into? I know you said something about written words and it being easy to incriminate someone based on written proof, but that's a copout and pretty much bullshitty. None of the rest of us used that excuse to not play the game, so it shouldn't have for you either. I want to know, how did you play this game differently from Kelly? Is a goat-styled strategy more respectable than Kelly's, and if so, how? I want to know why you addressed me the way you did when I was being voted out. You said you were never a target, so I made sure you were my target on my way out, because you were essentially campaigning for my jury vote. News flash. I wasn't interested in your final 2 scenarios or hearing why you deserve to when. I was only interested in preserving my life in the game and you did not give me that respect. Why should I give you the respect and even entertain the idea that I should vote for you, when you quickly dismissed any chance I had to remain in the game yourself? You disrespected my life in the game, why shouldn't I do the same? My final question to you is, what the actual shit do you mean in your opening statement when you said you approached Kidd to work with us at merge? That's a crock of shit, and half of us never even knew you approached anyone. You didn't make it clear you wanted to work with us, and if you actually tried to then you failed. Yes, it may have panned out for you since you're in the final two, but you failed nonetheless, and this is an accurate depiction of you social game, IMO. Failure.

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Next is Kelly obviously. I don't think you played a game deserving of the win either, to be honest. I don't think you played strongly or intensely. I feel like for a majority of the game, you didn't even take the game seriously, and I actually think Denise did for the most part. How did you take the game more seriously than Denise? She may have failed, but she tried pretty hard, sadly. IMO, you played the game just as cowardly as Denise, if not more. She may have been scared of written proof in IM's, but you were scared of your own ally, Natalie. This works against you, because I think you actually would have had a strong chance to beat Natalie in the final two, contrary to what I was saying - apparently I was one of the few who thought that and I could have been convinced otherwise if Natalie continued to be as unlikable and bitchy as she put on. However, I will give you props for one thing - even though you may have been cowardice, you did prove you were quick on your feet and able to adjust your gameplay according to jury perception, which I can respect. I just want to know how is a cowardice gameplay more respectable and deserving of the win than someone who owned their game play (even if it were a goat-styled gameplay)? That being said, since I do think you could have beaten Natalie in the final two, I don't think that should be considered your biggest move in the game, but hey - I guess there wasn't much else depth to your game, or is there something else you want to elaborate on? Keeping Malcolm? That was smart! *Sarcasm* I just want to hear if there was more to your game than hiding behind Natalie and then abandoning people ruthlessly (Edgardo and Natalie) first chance you had, because I don't respect that either.

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In addressing both of you, I want to know what you each did prior to merge. I wasn't with either of you until then, and to be honest, I hadn't seen much effort from either of you until merge (and even throughout the majority of the merge). So, I want to know what you both did pre-merge. What were your plans? Who were your allies? I want to see that you guys were strategic, social, and strong pre-merge. In order to be crowned the soul Survivor, you need to prove that you were playing this game from day one, from beginning to end. Prove to me that you were.

*BONUS QUESTION: For funzies, which is better, and why: CHARCUS or CHARGARDO?*

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Thank you both for your responses in advance. I know my questions and comments may seem a bit scathing, and well, yeah. I was going to apologize, but that's a part of being a juror. I want to see how you adapt and react to these questions, and I may be a bit more dramatic than necessary, but where's the fun if I'm not? Good luck, and may the best woman win!



Love always,
xo Charlie (and Marcus) <3 <3

PS. I'm sorry if this sucks because I wrote everything up and then it was deleted because I accidentally refreshed the page ;_: so this is my second time writing it and I have less patience with myself. hehe GOOD LUCK!

[Kelly Goldsmith]

Well I probably needed to be humbled after reading Malcolm's statement anyway so thank you for that^{even though i hate these questions} 

Okay, first of all, I had a panic attack when you said I didn't play intensely because that is.......really just the exact opposite of the way I played and you'll probably see that if you happen to read my ridiculously paranoid and borderline crazy confessionals after the game. BUT, like I said in my statement, perception is all that matters and confessionals are not relevant to my actual gameplay. Clearly, I have failed to convince you that I have played a strong game, and I think a large part of that has to do with the fact that I barely spoke to you one-on-one. If you want me to own something negative about my game like Denise did, then I'll admit that I could have spent more effort in trying to create a relationship with you before voting you out since that's basically what jury management is. But the problem was that I didn't want to come across as disingenuous or kiss your ass just to make you happy with me before you left, because I figured you'd probably see through that (and that ended up being the case when I saw your vote for Denise the round you left). I found it difficult to find that delicate balance between sincerity and kindness. I think my biggest concern for the duration of the post-merge was simply making F2, but I probably should have also worried a little bit more about how I would get the votes once I was actually there (note that Denise was all but guaranteed F2 from very early on in the merge but she still didn't make a good-faith effort to get jury votes as well). But I think other people who I did speak to extensively such as Alina know how often I was considering my options and tirelessly thinking through every single possible scenario. It's just unfortunate that I wasn't able to convey the same thing to you, but I'll do my best now.

How did you take the game more seriously than Denise?

I think the biggest way that I took the game more seriously than Denise was just the fact that I was more willing to take control of votes than she was.
I'll start right with the very first vote in the merge. It was my idea to vote for you, I will admit that. We were debating over who to vote for and I thought that you would be the least likely to have an idol played on you. Everyone, including Denise, went along with it (obviously this was a complete flop since Malcolm would tell you guys who to idol, but let's just conveniently gloss over that part~~).

Next, the Malcolm vote: Ed and I spent maybe 2 or so hours just strategizing and discussing how to use the idol and how we could make sure we get everyone on board with the plan and make it work. We figured it out between ourselves (obviously Ed knew that you guys were voting Natalie, but we wanted to make sure there wasn't some secret plan to blindside Ed with the idol in his pocket and we discussed the merits of just tying the vote without playing the idol, etc.), and then we had to talk Denise into agreeing with us, because she was skeptical at first.

After that, it was more or less a group decision to vote out Lex, but this group was literally me/Natalie/Edgardo. Denise, like always, followed suit when we told her the plan. Ultimately, I can't accept that you think Denise took this game more seriously than me when she self-voted during a vote that could have completely screwed us if you guys had voted Denise for some reason (even though this probably wasn't realistic). She never once took initiative for herself once she realized she was going to be brought to the F2 by pretty much everyone.

Also, in terms of more tangible ways to prove this: my two clutch immunity wins at the very end of the game, right when I needed them the most. Not only did I get a perfect score on a challenge that had a lot to do with events that occurred throughout this game (during both the pre-merge and merge, and also on all the different tribes), but I also won the puzzle-based challenge. The kicker (and this is not something I ever intended to share with anyone because it will kind of show how big of a dork I actually am) is that I practiced 4x4 slide puzzles for literally 2 straight hours the day of the challenge. Not to mention, I made my own jigsaw puzzle of the Warriors 2 logo and practiced that as well since I'm pretty shitty at jigsaw puzzles. I did these because they were part of the final challenge in Season 1 of Warriors. Guess what? Neither of those things showed up on the final challenge (the jigsaw puzzle was of a fucking boat yet again, thanks Jeremy). But at least I'm really really good at slide puzzles now.

Ultimately, you say I didn't play "intensely" but I don't see that as a prerequisite for winning the game. Trust me, I was very intense in private but I really wanted to keep this calm and collected persona in public and if I went overboard on that front by appearing very casual, then that's my mistake. Again, my entire game was contingent on not appearing as intense or strong as Edgardo or Nat, so no, I can't say either of those adjectives apply to me. But I for sure took the game more seriously than Denise. And if you're still unsure, I hope you can at least see how much effort I'm putting into these responses alone. Trust me, I really want this.

How is a cowardice gameplay more respectable and deserving of the win than someone who owned their game play?

I still disagree with the idea of me being a coward. Yes, I was scared of Natalie but I believe I had good reason to be. Not only was I given incentive from the jury (which you are now telling me was false, but ultimately I had to go with what I was hearing) but I was also made aware of the possibility that she had the intention of dropping me at F4 or F3 as well. Natalie said in our back-and-forth after the TC results that this was a lie, but again, I had to go off of whatever information I had. If she truly intended on bringing me to the end, I feel like she would have told me what she told Denise about voting me out in case Alina won the F4 immunity. You say I could have beaten Natalie in the end, and as much as I would like to believe that to be the case, I really think that the jury wouldn't have respected my inaction and passivity by ultimately not making a move for myself and taking the person who was voted most likely to win the game to the end. So, even if they liked me more than Natalie, I might have lost to her just out of principle. Maybe not, but I think bringing Denise to the end at least improved my chances even if it was just by a little bit.

I also don't get how I didn't own my gameplay. I completely and 100% owned in my statement that I essentially "hid" behind Natalie and and then abandoned them ruthlessly as you put it, but I genuinely saw that as my only path to victory. I may have hid behind Natalie but ultimately, I think Denise hid behind herself.

I'm going to answer the question about the pre-merge in a separate post.

[Natalie Tenerelli]

Natalie said in our back-and-forth after the TC results that this was a lie, but again, I had to go off of whatever information I had. If she truly intended on bringing me to the end, I feel like she would have told me what she told Denise about voting me out in case Alina won the F4 immunity.

I did tell you that I was saying those things to Denise as early as F6 when we were getting her on our side in case Alina win the F5 IC. So yeah, you did know, and if you had actually ever come to me and asked me what was up with that instead of just assuming that I was against you, I'd have reminded you of that.

[Kelly Goldsmith]

OKAY so the premerge:

On Every, I became really close to Katie and Colby right off the bat. Katie was my main ally from the very beginning and I will admit that I was a little skeptical about Colby just because he seemed a little distant (but this ended up not being a concern). Katie was close to Nat, and so she ended up bringing us together as a sort of girls' alliance just because we were worried about Colby/Ed/Brett being together. Ultimately, once we had to go to TC, we were able to easily vote Brett out since he was considered to be inactive by everyone on the tribe. Our concern about a guys' alliance was mostly just paranoia. There was a little bit of suspicion regarding Edgardo and the idol that he had apparently found, but we ultimately ended up deciding to go with the safe vote instead of alienating Colby. I did put in effort on this tribe, though. Maybe it wasn't visible but I won an ITT challenge for our tribe and I contributed to every single challenge that we had.

Then the tribe swap happened. To be completely honest, I really think Nat and I completely dictated what happened on that tribe. We both got close to Malcolm so much so that we wanted to protect him even though an alliance of Vytas/Denise/Natalie/Kelly/Colby had been sort of formed by default somehow. In the first vote on Wynn, Nat/I were going to link up with Kathy/Malcolm to vote Vytas out, but we ultimately decided again that we didn't want to alienate Colby and also Denise in this case. So we went with the safe vote with Kathy since none of us really trusted her anyway. The only reason we wanted Vytas out was because of the rumors of him basically chatting it up with everyone. So, when the time came around to vote someone out again, we put the plan in motion to get Vytas out, but this time, I was able to pitch my case to Colby and Denise about it beforehand so that we weren't alienating them by making that move.

NOW, yes, as you mentioned, this is completely ignoring the fact that IT WAS A HORRIBLE MOVE. I'm not so delusional as to deny the 100% fact that Edgardo completely and utterly saved my ass with his move at the F8 after Malcolm screwed us. I can't take credit for singlehandedly pulling myself out of the minority after one round, but I can appreciate that, yes, part of my road to the F2 was paved with good luck. Saving Malcolm over Vytas was a shitty move but it was my shitty move <3 And I love all my shitty moves because somehow I have the funny feeling that Vytas would probably have been a force to be reckoned with if I had let him merge.


Also I'm going to go with Charcus as the better pair just because Gabon <3 Also to my knowledge there are no GIFs that exist of Charlie and Edgardo fondling each other and this is completely necessary for me to even begin to consider Chargardo as on the same level as Charcus

[Kelly Goldsmith]

Sept 23, 2014 4:08:57 GMT Natalie Tenerelli said:

Natalie said in our back-and-forth after the TC results that this was a lie, but again, I had to go off of whatever information I had. If she truly intended on bringing me to the end, I feel like she would have told me what she told Denise about voting me out in case Alina won the F4 immunity.

I did tell you that I was saying those things to Denise as early as F6 when we were getting her on our side in case Alina win the F5 IC. So yeah, you did know, and if you had actually ever come to me and asked me what was up with that instead of just assuming that I was against you, I'd have reminded you of that.

I completely believe that this is the truth, but I seriously am having trouble thinking of when you told me this. Most of our post-merge communication was unfortunately limited to the proboards messaging system and I don't see it there, and I also don't see it in my AIM log. 

And yeah, obviously hindsight is 20/20, and it is probably something that I should have approached you about instead of taking Denise's word for it. If I'm being completely candid like I said I would be, I think I just accepted Denise's word as truth because it already fit with my intention of voting you out and made me feel less guilty about it. 

[Natalie Tenerelli]

I don't have time right now to explain all of the reasons why I think that that statement needs to be dragged out and shot, but I'll be back later.

[charlie]

Hey Kelly - just wanted to say thank you for the answers.
You've actually changed my perception on a lot of what I said, so good job.

Denise, I look forward to your answers as well. Good luck!